I ordered a Onefinity Elite Foreman with the Z20 slider and a PwnCNC 2.2Kw ATC spindle. Does anyone have a suggested dust boot system?
I ordered the OF “Suck It Pro and PWN CNC v8” dust boot kit combo, but have no idea if either is compatible with the ATC tool holders…
What are you all using?
I find it unlikely those would work.
I use the v10, as tool placement is a 1 time requirement, and number of spacers are easy maximums.
V9 has also been used, and while placement is less of a consideration boot height has a “no lower than ‘this’ height” which is situation dependent
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Thank you Chris!! Since I don’t have the machine yet, I can’t tell what the physical limitations are going to be. Do you think it would be better to have a boot that travels with the spindle or is a fixed height but using soft long bristles to prevent knocking over the tools?
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Knocking them over isn’t a concern (you screw the holder to the work surface).
Running into them, or rubbing the surface of your workpiece due to clearance is legitimately a concern though.
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how are you using a V10 with the ATC? I have one and it immediately runs in the tool holders if they are oriented along the Y axis. Spacers don’t really make a difference since you cant move the boot more than half an inch or so above the spindle (spacers make contact with the spindle)
My current thought is to go with a V9 since I am using a 4" port. This would be attached to the z independent brackets. I’ve upgraded the drag chain to handle the additional air lines… do you think the 3X-large hose clamp arm will be long enought to clear the wider drag chain (chain is 50mm wide)??
If it doesn’t work, adapt and overcome. My train of thought was to have my most common tools back there, and a holder closer & easier to grab to use one of my other less commonly used bits. I need to tweak spacing a little bit, but overall it’s been working out
ahh, you’ve spaced them and added more rows. yeah, i don’t think thats going to work for me. i routinely need to work on near full width material (42 inches).
Is it also half sheet size like max footprint available at all times?
V9 has been validated and tested, and v3 shows potential with minor modification but hasn’t been confirmed. Both of those would have their own niuances like you can’t move the z bracket down below a certain point.
We know there are short comings with the boots and racks, and we’re investigating options for both. ATC was a fantasy when designing most of them.
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Hey Chris, hey @Dalcoe, hey @Afred170, hey all,
I haven’t yet tested it, but I find this dust boot really convincing. I plan to order it when I will set up my machine. And I can first use my Festool CTM Midi with the adapter also offered, and later when I will buy the Felder AF 22 dust collection system I can ättach a 100 mm hose (4") to it.
I have not, nor have i considered it, but I have heard of it, and talked to Adam Fenn while he was developing it.
I use the v10, if i use a boot, but i rarely do since theyre not effective on 1/4" wide ~1-1/2" profile cuts which is the majority of what i do now-n-days. I blow the dust off the table and vacuum it up
My reservation with these types of boots is what if i go from 1/4" thick material to 3" material… how does it know how much to drop, or a 1" long bit and a 4" bit.. it doesn’t.
Hey Chris,
this question is, and will always be, the decision whether to choose a dust boot that is in a fixed position over the workpiece, or that goes up and down with the spindle. I believe depending on what you do you may need both.
Another solution is a dust boot that goes up and down according to your program
But I think the original poster focuses on a dust boot that does work with automatic tool change.
Hey Chris,
that surprises me a bit.
i would never consider practicing this if I use the machine seriously and regularly with wood. Wood dust is cancerogenic and harmful for oiled mechanics like ball screws
Hey Chris,
what kind of dust collection do you use? A workshop dust collection system or a shop vac?
I ask because yet I lack experience. At the moment I own a Festool CTM Midi. I have experience with large dust collection systems with 4 inch or bigger hoses and tubes, but only with table saws, planing machines and table routers, not with the Onefinity.
Initially I thought the best thing for the Onefinity when working heavily with wood would be a workshop dust collection system like the Felder AF 22 with HEPA cartridge filter. I did not consider my Festool shop vac for it. But then I read there was reported that with the use of shop vacs all dust was collected successfully with a Dust Deputy and 70 mm (2½″) hoses here and here.
This is my setup. I also have a jet dc650 with a canister filter for my sanders.
a Gorilla is on the wish list for a whole shop option, but it’s going to be a while before i can get it.
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Is this a 4" hose?
By the way just in case here is the link to the Felder:
- Absauggerät AF 22 Fahrbahr | 3x 400 V | Ø 120 + Ø 80 mm | Felder Group Shop
- Patronenfilter | Felder Group Shop
- Manuelle Abreinigung für Patronenfilter 02.1.132 | Felder Group Shop
It’s from Austria.
Yes, 4"
A larger hose is always better (provided the motors ability to provide velocity), then if necessary to step down, stepping down as close to the tool as possible. Another thing is the minimal use of flex hose as their turbulent, and turbulence kills velocity.
Looks cool, and google says it does 1800cfm which is some pretty good suction, mine is ⅓ as much, although mine also cost 1/10th as much too
Here a few links to a user that uses the same Festool shop vac as mine in the Onefinity
I plan to buy the Felder when Ill buy the frame saw, the router table and the planing machine at the same time. Until then I plan to try the Festool on the Onefinity.
The links above show users using smaller hoses, 70 mm is a frequent size in Europe, or 2.5 inch in the USA
I also own a cyclone for the Festool but haven’t yet tested it
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Hey Chris, hey all,
the second YouTube video i posted above shows someone who replaces a big JET dust collection system with cyclone by the Felder AF 22 and at the first run, despite multiple vanes being left open(!), the Felder draws residual dust that was in the machines that the previous dust extractor had left.
Usually I can get a discount on a Felder, but I have to wait until my savings are replenished. The vaccum table and vacuum pump for the cnc machine has the higher priority for me at the moment. And it will cost about €6000
PS: By coincidence, I just saw this ATC dust boot
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Yes, he posted his creation here which bumped the thread, but being new and posting a link to an external site auto flagged him, and he now has a restricted account which requires an admin (im not one)
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