Hiya folks… Recently set up the auto tool change of my ATC which I’ve been operating manually for the last few months. Followed your video on youtube for setup and everything worked fine. I ran a couple t*m6 tool change cycles with MDI and everything worked great.
Decided to run a multi tool operation which I programmed in Fusion. First tool change went well. Second change failed to release tool but didn’t alarm, believing that the tool was released it moved to pickup the next tool with first tool still loaded. I was able to safety stop before any big damage (snapped the bit 1/16 bit though).
So I reset and tried another MDI tool
change and it failed drop tool. The pneumatics opened and just blasted air endlessly before a tool error occurred. Even with “tool error” it kept
the air gate open, I couldn’t shut it in Masso MDI buttom and I had to shut power off at the pneumatic control box. I shut everything down and reset.
Tried another MDI change and now I’m getting a “drawbar unclamp error”. Using manual control button, everything works as usual.
Could you send us a video demonstrating? In that video show the f1 screen as well as the dials of the pe during the change along with the actual attempted change with any on screen errors
Hi Chris. So I found this post here New ATC setup trouble…and decided to check if my inputs were inverted. Turns out they settings were incorrect and everything seems to be fine now. Not sure how that happened as my first few test runs were successful, but now everything is working as intended. Thanks for the quick response anyhow
@Chris I’m having this same issue, I have checked to confirm my inputs were both green with no tool in place. (input 8 turns red when I manually use the mTC to put a tool in)
Just setting up my ATC today as I received it yesterday evening. I have two tool slots set, and I have the tool in slot 1 in the ATC. I give it a command of txm6 and it moves over to slot 1 to what appears to be “putting the tool away” (as the first step before moving on to slot 2) moves down to the appropriate height and then air just blasts out of the “addl” port on the pneumatics enclosure and after a second it displays an error.
The MTC works fine and I am able to put tools in and out with my hands, I’m not really sure what I might be doing wrong, tried to troubleshoot and dig for answers as best I can, I must be missing something obvious. Thank you so much in advance for any help you can provide.
In addition to other troubleshooting, I noticed also that when on the F1 screen, if I tap on output 7 (which is set to chuck clamp m10/m11) then toggle it from low to high with the spacebar, air blasts out of the “addl” port the same way it does when it is trying to do a tool change… is that what is supposed to happen?
I think I’m getting the same issue? “Drawbar unclamp” error whenever I try to tell it to change tools and it pops tool errors/refuses to run a job because I can’t get it to recognise which tool is loaded.
@michael.crampon Can you use the MTC to manually remove the tool? if you would be willing to try… with the system running, air compressor on etc. Remove the tool so their is nothing in the spindle and then what happens if you tap on output 7 and then press the space bar on the masso display (inverting the value to high) mine shoots air out of the “addl” port and if I hit the space bar it closes it again.
My green wire in output 7 has a section of heat shrink over part of the wire and something underneath the heat shrink… I don’t know if it is a butt splice or a resistor, I can’t tell, but it doesn’t seem like your wire has that.
With no tool in toggling output 7 in masso shoots air out of the spindle where the chuck was previously installed.
I purchased the ATC in sept, but it’s been a multi-month task of trying to get it to work, I had things briefly working in December (I did a couple flattening passes on the spoilboard) but had a drivechain issue and had to fix that and now… see above.
@michael.crampon I’m really sorry, I misstyped and said “input 7” when I should have said “output 7”, that is my fault.
In my picture you can see the green wire with a section of yellow heat shrink.
Thank you very much for trying that test of toggling output 7 high and low. The air blows out of the spindle on your system, like I assume it should. It leads name to think something is miswired either in the cable or in the pneumatics enclosure as mine seems to open the solenoid for the “addl” port.
Hi Rizzo,
I would suspect that they’re wired backwards.
The MTC button “has nothing” to do with masso since it just bypasses it…
If switching output 7 to output 8 doesn’t work, I would suggest submitting a ticket to support@pwncnc.com
@Chris That was one of the things I tried, switching to 8 (and inverting it) but the same thing happens unfortunately, air blows out of the addl port on the pneumatics enclosure. I sent in a ticket Saturday, hopefully they can find a resolution for me. I have had nothing but great customer service experience so far and I’m sure this will be no different. Pwn is amazing with customer service. Hopefully my ticket gets assigned to someone and I hear back soon.
Thank you for reaching out and offering a suggestion to try. Appreciate this group / forum for trying to help one another.
@Chris I think I have solved the issue I was having with the pneumatics enclosure. I was fairly confident that I didn’t do something wrong on the masso end, as I had checked and rechecked everything…
So I grabbed a multi-meter and went to work tracing leads and connections. After checking the cabling for continuity, I took apart the pneumatics enclosure and found a wire put into the wrong terminal, both outputs 7&8 were paired up and fed into the solenoid that controls the addl port, and the MTC wire was fed into the other terminal, simply moving the correct wire from one terminal to the other inside the pneumatics enclosure solved the problem and now it works great. It also allowed me to connect a 4mm air line to the tool setter and set up the “tool setter air blast” which is pretty cool little adder to the work flow, blasting off any chips or dust in the way. Thank you for all your help in trying to sort through my issue. Thankfully, while it tool awhile to diagnose and some significant wrench time in dissasembly, it was a striaghforward and easy fix. It also gives me confidence that the system is super robust and quality. What I mean is that is wasn’t a programming bug, or some misbehaving component, it was simply a wire during assembly that was misplaced.
The hard part about support is that were looking thru a straw and only have the information provided. I wouldn’t have suggested opening it up because i don’t know your competence level but I’m glad you knew what you were looking at and was able to get to a positive resolution.
It’s odd that the PE made it thru qa/qc with the miswire though.
